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Joseph Holt 1756 - 1826, A Rum Story, Peter O'Shaughnessy editor, 1988, p.53.
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Most recent messages:
| Date | Time | Name | Message |
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| 1st Aug 10 | 13:09:15 | Jann | Bernadette, Yes, William W Holt left a scrapbook and on one of the pages is a pressed plant labelled Kew Gardens, July 26, 1879. This page signed by Lizzie G Harris, Jeanie Holt, G.G. Harris Jnr & WWH. Some time ago you traced the military connections of the Harris family. Hope this helps. Note: WWH married Emma E. McKinnon in USA 1975. August 14, 1879 he was aboard SS Greece so must have travelled between USA and England more than once. |
| 1st Aug 10 | 07:58:08 | Bernadette Holt | Jann , Carol, Didn't one of you mention the name Harris as being a family friend that someone used to write to ??? I will check back anyways came across the name Harris today ..A Robert Harris married an Elizabeth Holt born 1813 that was a daughter of Joseph Holt (Lived in Monaghan , Ireland) and Margaret Ann Beatty ( They also had a William Holt that went to Scotland) Elizabeth married a Robert Harris born 1806 Scotland and they came to Australia on the Earl Gray 26/4/1841. May be a connection there ? Also have the grandaughter of Hannah Holt Kelly ....Elaine (great grand daughter of Joshua Holt Grantham Street ,Dublin) marriage 1913 address Tara, Kugarah to Cuthbert Barnes would be worth chasing up on yere side as thay always mentioned Joshua in family notices. Let us know........ Lionel were ye ever in contact with any of the Websters Joseph Harrisons in laws// Henry Webster age 19 was on the John Jay also Henry Webster in Aus.? |
| 31st Jul 10 | 17:47:07 | Lionel Fowler | Hi Ber, I have finally found the important reference that you gave us in this chat room on 20.4.10, regarding the arrival of Joseph and Eliza Holt with their four children aboard the 'Maitland' in February 1838. I believe this Joseph to be a relative of our Joseph Harrison Holt and family who arrived in Port Jackson aboard the 'Superb' on the 25th February 1838. It is clear that the two ships and families were in convoy. Whether this Joseph is a cousin from Ireland or the USA, out of all the Josephs, he is the key to our future research success as the proven Australian link that we need to confirm that a descendant of one of General Joseph's brothers did arrive in Australia. Wonderful. It remains to be seen whether our family researchers can search further. He logically must link us to the wider Holt family. Can anybody find the passenger list? This Joseph, with his accompanying of JHH in the same convoy, is a likely son of one of Joseph's siblings! Ber has given us a mind-blowing link once again to spur our Holt family research forward. I am sorry that I was ill in April and mislaid my notes. |
| 31st Jul 10 | 17:41:31 | Carol (nee Holt) Waqavesi | Hi Jennifer, both Jann and I are great-grand-daughters of WWH. Jann has far more experience in the researching project than I. Welcome!! |
| 31st Jul 10 | 09:14:45 | Lionel Fowler | Back again - Peter O 'Shaughnessy's "Rebellion in Wicklow, General Joseph Holt's Personal Account' tells us the following: - " I remained with my parents till the year 1780, two years after, at wich time I got marryide to Mrs Long's daughter of Round Wood, County of Wicklow, a widdow who held a very comfortable farm of land under Andrew Price, Esqr. I their remaind as farmer and agent over publick works in the Barny (barony) of Ballen Cur (Ballincor) and parish of Dirrilosroy (Dirrelossary). I also held a commission under Sir John Blackiere [Blacquiere), Knight of the Bath and Chief County Keeper and Billet Master, and held that commission till the year 1793. " Being joined by Mr Brian Byrne and Mr Martin Byrne I saled [sealed} the woolen old drapery of the County of Wicklow and Wexford and part of County Dublin". (The local knowledge gained on his years of rounds gave him the foundation for his later United Irish battle successes in the Wicklow Mountains and adjacent areas as General in 1798. Because of his army's bewildering disappearances, he was said to be in league with the devil!) Could the official asterisked reference to General Holt mean that the father "John" was the General's brother, John, who was actively recruiting fellow Irishmen to The Society of United Irishmen, as reported in 1798 by Captain Thomas King the Rathdrum Magistrate and found by my 1998 SAG tour mate, Peter Mayberry? Or, more likely, because of his age, is it meant as a link back further to his U.I. father, a brother of Joseph twenty eight years earlier? If so, to which one of the brothers? This note was made two months before his death on, 16th May 1826. It reveals the importance that the authorities still attached to the General and his wider liberal family. Don't forget that Thomas Holt hid Robert Emmett on his farm in July 1803. This seems to give us the reason why many of them are thought to have left Ireland. The hatred that was fostered between the Protestant and Roman Catholic Christian denominations since 1798 is still bearing fruit in Northern Ireland to-day. |
| 31st Jul 10 | 08:32:25 | Bernadette Holt | Hi ALL Just a little correction on the John Holt ..it's Sandymount Lane in the parish of Irishtown that John and Ann also had a son Joshua baptised March 17 1824,,,,,,,,,,,,, what was very interesting on the church record re John Holt bapt1826 there is a little asterisk beside the father Johns name and on the side the asterisk has General 1798 written SO what does this mean I wonder??? Both father and son were bricklayers the Joshua Holt that married Eliza White 1849 was son of John Bricklayer ........now from earlier posts re William Woodward Holt and David's Joseph I followed a Hannah Holt that married a Micheal Kelly and they lived in Leichardt it would be worth following uo on their family as Hannah Holt Kelly posted remembrance on papers re her father Joshua Holt Grantham street. I listed family on earlier posts. Hester Long baptised Rathdrum 24/4/1757 father Samuel mother Mary if this is Joseph's wife then Mary would have to be a Manning?? |
| 31st Jul 10 | 04:13:43 | Lionel Fowler | Hi Jann, Carol and Jennifer, Ber has just kindly sent me a photo of an entry from "hester long Birth Death Marriage Genealogy Records Ireland - Irish Family History Foundation.webarchive". It shows, amongst other families' entries, including "John son of John & Anne Holt of Sandymount Lane born March 17th 1826", the following interesting one from 1826, "June 25 Joseph son of Richard & Letitia Woodward of Ringwood, born June 10th & baptized June 25th Rich. H. Wall". I thought it might further your WWH researches. This was the same year that General Joseph Holt died. ('Lara' corrected to lane, Thanks Ber. L.). |
| 30th Jul 10 | 16:57:51 | Lionel Fowler | Welcome Jennifer, I suggest you start reading our chats commencing with Jann's of 16.12.09. you will see where another relative, Carol, has joined in making a total of three WWH descendants so far. Best of luck, |
| 29th Jul 10 | 09:30:32 | Jennifer Grim | Hi there, We are new researchers into the Holt family history and would be interested in any information on the parents of William Woodward Holt - father Joshua and mother that may be available.Many thanks for your help. |
| 28th Jul 10 | 22:50:29 | Bernadette Holt | Carole I think this is your John son of Thomas Joseph.... John Holt born 1869 Liverpool married Anne Tyler born 1868 halifax (Nova Scotia) on 23/12/1893 in Halifax Nova Scotia |
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