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Joseph Holt 1756 - 1826, A Rum Story, Peter O'Shaughnessy editor, 1988, p.53.
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| 9th Mar 10 | 04:01:56 | Bernadette Holt | Carole Lawrence Byrne also had land in threewalls Ballykine same parish as Magees |
| 9th Mar 10 | 03:07:39 | Bernadette Holt | Back again Evelyn... Lawrence Mcgee had land in Griffiths.. Ballinaclash in the parish of ballykine thats a match. Now found another birth Thomas 1837 he may have stayed in Ireland AND in the 1911 census Ireland there is a Thomas Mcgee living with Catherine Jordan and her two sons Micheal and Patrick in Fairgreen Rathdrum And checking THomas out found he had following children Mary,1870 Daniel 1872 CATHERINE 1873 Elizabeth 1875 so I would bet that Catherine Jordan is Thomas Mcgee's daughter and I will check if there are any Jordans left in Rathdrum as they may know which Holt Mary Dinah was!! But still put up any info on sponsors of the baptisms...will await your posting. Ber |
| 9th Mar 10 | 01:31:52 | Bernadette Holt | Hi Evelyn again, Dont know if you have this info already . The Ship that Lawrence and Mary came on was the Grand Trianon from Liverpool departed 23/3/1855 arr 10/6/1855 they had with them Robert aged 12, Lawrence age 9 Maria aged 6 Sarah aged 4 and Margaret age 15 was registered separately as she would have been deemed an adult then. Lawrence had Mason down as profession. If you have Mary Dinahs birth any idea of fathers name. I also found births of Ellen 1835 James 1849 and Ann 1853 to a Lawrence Mcgee in Wicklow but they werent on ship ? Any other sponsor information is important as they usually were sisters and brothers of parents And cant find any Daniel yet in Wicklow but that name carries through in Holts in Kildare. There also are James Mcgee main street Rathdrum ,Elizabeth Fair Green and John in Low street in Griffiths Valuation nobody left there in 1911 census. Chat later Oh do any of ye know why Joshua and Joseph went to San Francisco in Nov 1849 on the Victoria??? Ber |
| 9th Mar 10 | 00:09:41 | Bernadette Holt | Hi Evelyn If you trawl back a bit here you will find that Caroles Joseph Holt was in Liverpool in 1841 census in a house with a Susan Mcgee and I found Lawrence and Mary Dinah there in 1855 en route to Port Adelaide so you are definately part if this gang I think I have stuff on Mary Dinah will dig it up for you. Can you post as much information as you have up here as all the little bits help. Later Ber Carole came across Thomas Holt marrying Frances Byrne (Could be your Byrnes) in Dublin and witness was Micheal Carroll and Anna Doyle Didnt you have a Micheal Carroll as witness or sponsor as well could be the same as 1851 census Micheal and Ann Carroll in Liverpool Found address of Mary Ann Shaw as 103 Georges Terrace Kingstown so Maryann was a dressmaker there in her latter years sent on proof to Lionel. |
| 3rd Mar 10 | 17:17:18 | EVELYN PEPPER | Hello I have just come across this Holt website during my search for information on the Holt family. The reason for my search???? My husbands great grandmother was Sarah Pepper nee McGee. She died in 1942 aged 92. Her family arrived in Sth Australia from Ireland in 1855 when Sarah was 4. Sarah's mother was Mary Dinah McGee nee Holt and her older brothers name was Robert Holt McGee. Sarah had in her posession a book called the history of the Catholic Church in Australasia. A chapter in this book was about convict priests and Joseph Holt is mentioned in this chapter. Sarah told members of her family that she was related to Joseph Holt. Over the years I have done quite a bit of research here in Australia, in Ireland in 1983 and I paid for a search by the Genealogical Office, Dublin, about 1984-5. So far I have not come up with anything that links Mary Dinah to Joseph Holt. As Joseph's siblings are mentioned on your website perhaps you may know of some connection. This is the information I have on Mary Dinah Holt. Born 1816 Wicklow Married Lawrence Macgee (Magee), Builder, Hotel Keeper, Jan 21 1834 Rathdrum. I also have information on the baptisms of her first eight children. Sponsors at one baptism were Daniel and Catherine Holt, Clashlands. Are you able to help me in anyway? Thanking you in anticipation Evelyn Pepper |
| 2nd Mar 10 | 04:00:25 | Carole Parkes | Sorry to be so long in acknowledging all the information sent in over the past month; there is an immense amount of Holt information here and I'm still taking it all in. Thank you Bernadette for the information on Lawrence Byrne and I'm still checking on the Holts who were associated with the East India Company. |
| 17th Feb 10 | 05:33:29 | Lionel Fowler | Hi Ber, Sorry for the delayed reply. The aggregate concrete pour was only done last Thursday and is now awaiting its acid wash. Slow progress! I was pleased to learn from your earlier chat (19th Jan. 10 08:58.51) that Elizabeth La Touche was a cousin of Henry Grattan the Irish Whig's leader who won legislative independence for Ireland in 1782. "The assembly was abolished in 1800 through the Act of Union" (Ireland 1798 -1898: Politics and War, Alvin Jackson). I believe this helps explain why an Ascendancy family, such as the Peter La Touche's, would fund the formerly successful United Irish General, Joseph Holt, who fought for Ireland's independence on a different level. I found it difficult to believe that it only came about because Hester's sister was Elizabeth's maid. It could explain why she got the position. You have also possibly given us the reason as to why the Peter La Touche banking family remained unscathed despite helping many United Irishmen. Coupled with their families' earlier experiences in France as Huguenots, your important additional information also gives us further understanding as to why they had such sympathy for their families. As you have already explained, their help was not only given to Joseph's family, it extended to include the education of the United Irishmen's daughters and to arrange suitable marriages during their banishment from Ireland. Thanks also for the info. for Brian Albanese. It gives him and his parents a possible modern day Ireland end-point to aim for. We really need them to give us the names of the pertinent townships or villages to add to the details that he has sent. In regard to the Holts, it is interesting that you have found a William and Jonathan Holt. These were the names of Joseph's siblings who were very supportive of Joseph as active United Irishmen. Jonathon was killed in a cavalry charge in October 1798 on Greenane Bridge whilst substituting for the bed-ridden Joseph. William was imprisoned for a short time. (See both The General's Notice board and About Joseph). The two you have found could easily be the descendants of one or more of Joseph's brothers maintaining the tradition of the family's Christian names. The geographical location of Maryann Shaw's dressmaker's shop sounds a promising possibility. It would have been quite necessary as support for the family if William Shaw had died. There was no Widow's Pension. As discovered by Pamela Goesch, the post-insurgency religious activities of Joseph and Hester Holt were centred on the Church of Ireland Monkstown Parish Church. This included the Joseph Harrison Holt and the William Shaw families' marriages and baptisms. The funerals of Joseph, Hester and Mary Ann, or Marianne, Holt all took place there before their burials in the Carrickbrennan Cemetery. Although, thanks to your research, Mary Ann's burial there is now suspect. I hope the above knowledge helps you with your valuable research. Once again, thanks for progressing our Irish Holt Family knowledge. Would you be interested in sending us your research on the Kildare Holts for publishing on our website, with acknowledgement, on a special page? It might help us find a link to the Holts of Ballydonnell (Ballydaniel) or even the original Elizabethan ones on former O'Toole land at Redcross. |
| 1st Feb 10 | 00:21:01 | Bernadette Holt | Hi Brian Albanese... In the 1911 census of Rathdrum in Wicklow you will find your John J and family. Though ,is mother is a Bridget Holt, and you will find the rest of siblings and an Ellis family living beside them. Its a start. Lionel, Still working on Shaws have found Maryann Shaw living in Sth Georges Street in DunLeary and she is down as a dressmaker in 1850 ans as this is very close to York Road where Joseph built the houses and also close to Adelaide Road where William and Jonathan (Whoever they are )Holt had houses in Griffiths valuation. Also found a Joseph Shaw that had flax mill in Celbridge ( North Co KIldare) where there were another Milling family that married a Kildare Holt Also found something interesting A Maryanne Shaw was baptised in St James Roman Catholic church dublin on 03/12/1815 to a William and Maryann Shaw also Robert same parents same church 01/01/1827 and an Esther Shaw 23/04/1815 to william and maryann shaw in St Peters Church of Ireland so maybe William was Roman Catholic as at that time they often baptised children in both churches. |
| 20th Jan 10 | 05:16:02 | Lionel Fowler | Hi to Brian Albanese. I am disappointed that the USA Holt's are not joining in to further this important region's Holt family research, hence the lack of replies to your query of March 29, 2009. I have placed a small portion of your query on The General's Notice Board in an effort to stimulate interest. Are you aware of the reunions organised by a son of New York's Charlie Holt, Terry? I think you could be interested in my chat of 26th June '09 in reply to Carole Parkes at 7:12:44 about the 1826 birth certificate purported to be General Joseph Holt's which I paid the RCB to send me. (Use David Savage's or Arthur Paris's site on General Joseph's Notice Board for quick access to the RCB.) It showed that this Joseph's father was a "John J". I am now quite uncertain if I have the right birth certificate copy for General Joseph. It is the right year. I wonder if this father is 'John Joseph' but is he General Joseph's father, 'John' of Mullinaveigue? |
| 19th Jan 10 | 13:08:43 | Lionel Fowler | Thanks Ber. So much for my logic! What a pity regarding that William Shaw. We're setting up for concreting so I haven't had time to check. However, I can tell you that the late Sonny Holt was told by his grandfather that the original Holt was a soldier during Queen Elizabeth's reign and that he was granted O'Toole land at Redcross. Sonny drove me to the area in 1998. Unfortunately, I haven't a clue as to where we were in Redcross but would recognise it by its rolling green hills landscape and small valley if ever I am able to return. Sonny and I thought that we would be meeting each other in Aughrim last September. I was going to take photos of it then. We intended flying together to the USA for him to introduce me to Charlie Holt's family to discuss internationalising the Fellowship's website by getting correspondence from there. He was also going to ask his grandchildren if one of them would be interested in sending me pars from Ireland to complete the Holt family loop. Our respective ill-healths put paid to all that. Have a look at The General's Notice Board midway down re. the Plantation period where it gets a mention. In fact I try to answer many queries by rewriting The General's Notice Board, About Joseph and About Us. |
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